Blackburn, Campbell & Culberson now co-sponsorsby Eric Dondero
While it may be too late to revoke Barack Hussein Obama's hold on the Presidency, it is not too late to make the issue of his birth outside of the United States, most likely in Kenya, an issue for Campaign 2012.
With that in mind, a coalition of conservatives and libertarians around the Nation are pushing for the enactment of HR 1503, introduced by freshman Republican Congressman of Florida Bill Posey. The legislation would require proof of birth in the United States of America or its Territories to run for the office of the Presidency. This shall take the form of a valid hospital-issued birth certificate, and not just a receipt for such a certificate as Obama has released.
The legislation got off to a slow start. It was introduced back in March of this year. And only Rep. Bill Goodlatte (R) of Virginia, agreed to sign on as a co-sponsor. Then a few weeks ago, Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas, came on board. Within the last two weeks, 5 Republican Congressmen have signed on. Besides the 3 mentioned, co-sponsors include: Reps. Marsha Blackburn (TN), John Carter (TX), John Culberson (TX), Ted Poe (TX), and Dan Burton (IN). Notably, Burton and Blackburn are considered leaders of the GOP House Caucus.
Of note, on the Senate side, the Hon. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma has gone on record in support of such legislation in that body. There are some notable Representatives who have yet to sign on, including some libertarian Republicans. It would also be nice to have a principled and honest Democrat or two as co-sponsors.
Please take a moment to contact your Representatives by email, phone or letter to urge them to support HR 1503. Just tell them it's the "Posey Bill" requiring a birth certificate for Presidential eligibility.
It may be too late to do anything about Obama's 2008 election, but not too late to make this an issue for 2012.
Contact your Congressman website.
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Glenn Beck says this issue is the mark of wackiness.
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Alan Turin
Yeah, that Marsha Blackburn is a real whacko alright.
And that Tom Coburn, total "nutcase."
Of course, anyone who used to work for NASA, as Bill Posey did for two decades has got to be a flaming whacko.
I too thought the birth certificate brouhaha was coming from a bunch of wacko conspiracy loving idiots but the more I’ve read, the more I’m beginning to realize there may actually be something there.
I too thought the birth certificate brouhaha was coming from a bunch of wacko conspiracy loving idiots but the more I’ve read, the more I’m beginning to realize there may actually be something there.
Alan: I would not eat everything Beck says - who has himself some trends of wackiness - up for cake.
While I do not think one should change the law, as it is already crystal clear about the three requirements for president, should be, there could be a need for further investigation of the issue. I also thought in the beginning it was a bit wacky, but one should always have an open mind and listened to Phil berg, who made a very logical case and argumentation. Now the issue is nothing has be absolutely proven the one way or the other and it would be not so easy to do. One investigative reporter tried and he was thrown out of the country.
You should get perhaps an international one or someone who says he is so interested about Obama and his roots...and this person should go to the hospital where Obama was presumably born and see if he can get any birth cert there. Wonder whether they had during those times... e.g. I know more than most Americans about Africa... If they can find it
then it can be proven without a doubt.
I have Kenians visiting church telling me (without me asking anything) that Obama was born in Kenya and they are proud of it. Most kenians and in fact more international citizens would know nothing about the US requirement to be a natural born citizen. If both your parents are US citizens, I heard, there it does not matter in which country or continent you are born, you will be automatically a US citizen, but it is a different case if only one has US citizenship, as was the case with Obama's parents.
I remember Berg last year in a radio interview also pointed out to other issues, Obama's visit to Pakistan during a time the US had sanctions against Pakistan and no American citizen should have been allowed a visa to go to Pakistan. Perhaps Obama has Indonesian citizenship or of some other country as well. Is that allowed in the US? but in any case the issue would be where did he get that? There are some unanswered questions indeed, just like with 911...
Eric, I found out the other day berg is a friend of historian Webster Tarpley, who is from the Larouche-cult. I do not subscribe to all their theories of course, but there are some interesting moments of trurth also. Tarpley wrote a book about Obama as well, and you can describe him and Larouche as belonging to the leftwing camp of the Democrats, yet Tarpley supported Clinton against Obama..
I'm all for the question of the birth certificate, but 3 people? I hope more signs on.
Rita-Texas
Rita, you misread the article. It's a total of 7 Congressman now as Sponsors of the legislation, including 2 in the House GOP leadership.
I suspect in the coming weeks that number will double.
We just need a Dem to sign onto it. Maybe that guy up in Idaho?
If both your parents are US citizens, I heard, there it does not matter in which country or continent you are born, you will be automatically a US citizen, but it is a different case if only one has US citizenship, as was the case with Obama's parents."
Nope. Not different at all.
Its becoming clear that the reason Brakabama is keeping the birth certificate thing going is to make his opponents look like rabid fools thereby making the raving fucking lunatics who support him look a little less shitbag crazy.
Chuck said: "Its becoming clear that the reason Brakabama is keeping the birth certificate thing going is to make his opponents look like rabid fools thereby making the raving fucking lunatics who support him look a little less shitbag crazy."
Congratulations, Chuck, you've managed to tap into the way Obama and his thugs think.
Eric is constantly touting Beck as a libertarian. When in 8 years did Beck object to the illicit war Bush started in Iraq? When did he object to Bush' imitation of LBJ in domestic spending?
Beck became a "born-again" limited government guy only w/Barack Obama.
However, returning to the nuttiness of the post, Barack Obama has a birth certificae issued by a Hawaiian hospital. I know this might be before Eric was born, but Hawaii has been a US state since 1959, so Barack Hussein Farouk Effendi Mohammed Osama [;)], is as American as Eric Dondero.
Being over 35 and native-born both Eric and Obama are qualified to be president of these United States.
That should make one shudder.
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Alan Turin
Stefan,
"While I do not think one should change the law, as it is already crystal clear about the three requirements for president, should be, there could be a need for further investigation of the issue."
It has been thoroughly investigated and the conspiracy theorists have been utterly unable to prove their theories.
"You should get perhaps an international one or someone who says he is so interested about Obama and his roots...and this person should go to the hospital where Obama was presumably born and see if he can get any birth cert there."
While we're at it, should we go through your medical records and those of your parents, too? I mean, there's no reason why anyone in your family should object to giving people any personal information that others may possibly want, right?
"I have Kenians visiting church telling me (without me asking anything) that Obama was born in Kenya and they are proud of it."
If someone gathered together over 30 million folks at random, what's the likelihood that any one of them would know where you were born and be able to give us accurate information about the details of your birth? What if I said, I have some white people at my church and, without asking, they told me that your parents were really siblings and that you're the spawn of Satan? Is there any reason in the world why someone should believe them? Does being white mean they are any more aware of it (i.e. the circumstances surrounding your birth) than anyone else?
"I remember Berg last year in a radio interview also pointed out to other issues, Obama's visit to Pakistan during a time the US had sanctions against Pakistan and no American citizen should have been allowed a visa to go to Pakistan."
Okay, let's think this through. The U.S. has sanctions against Cuba, right? Do Americans still visit Cuba? Well, that shouldn't even be a question, because it's simply a fact that this does occur. Does the fact that they visit indicate that they are not American citizens?
"Perhaps Obama has Indonesian citizenship or of some other country as well. Is that allowed in the US?"
Of course it's allowed. Any country could decide to make someone a citizen of their country, with or without the individuals permission. If being a citizen of another country was enough to negate one's US citizenship, then any nation on Earth could wipe out the entire USA by declaring everyone here as one of their citizens.
"There are some unanswered questions indeed, just like with 911..."
The fact that there are unanswered questions doesn't mean that one is entitled to the answers to them. I might have a question about your banking information, but that doesn't mean you owe it to me to give me that info or even to make it easier for me to get it.
When did Alan Turin applaud when Bush appointed the first Libertarian Party Chairman to his Cabinet?
When did Turin applaud when Bush proposed privatizing Social Security?
When did Turin applaud when he gave us all a Tax cut in 2003?
Yup, here we are 6 months out of the Bush administration, and instead of bashing Obama, all Turin can do is join the Lefty Commies in attacking Bush.
Why is it you call yourself a Republican again Turin?
Bint: my or your parent's history are our privacy, though int he US your medical history etc will soon not be so private between you and your doctor...ever thought about that?
If you are running for president, it is a different matter though. All candidates have to submit their financial holdings as well as their medical records. It goes with the position, Bint. It is called regulation and being vetted. You should know that being a liberal :-)
Also, think about it, you can marry someone, love him but still not know his whole history, there may be many skeletons in the closet you do not know. For a president, you have to take responsibility of a lot, not only inside the US, also outside. The US president's decisions affects other countries as well, much more than any other country.
Bint; I was just asking as in a country like Germany the nationality of a different country is not allowed. If you accept German citizenship, you have to give up your other citizenship. But the real issue here is if Obama had a different nationality/passport as well, how did he get that??? Especially if you are presumebly born in Hawaii.
I remember now there was not only sanctions against Pakistan, there were a total ban of travel to Pakistan by the US during that time, is the issue that Berg raised. He was an AG of PA and a member of the NAACP etc., so he should have done his homework. He had a whole site also.
Note that I am not making any conclusion one way or the other. I do understand there is a difference between a short and long form with regard to the birt cert. and cert. of live birth distinction, and the Obama team paid almost a million or a lot of money to provide the latter, while the former is not provided.
"The fact that there are unanswered questions doesn't mean that one is entitled to the answers to them. I might have a question about your banking information, but that doesn't mean you owe it to me to give me that info or even to make it easier for me to get it".
This is like comparing apples to peaches. My banking information does not affect another person, but how building 7 disintegrated in a few seconds is relevant to many Americans. I am not an inside job theorist, but there are various other questions the 911 Commission Report did not answer, like for instance the negligence on the part of Defense and Intelligence and how could they not suspect someone taking flight lessons in Florida (Mohammed Atta) learning only how to take off, not land etc. etc. Also, why was Osama Bin Laden not taken out during Clinton's time...there were like 8-10 chances! Bint, how cna you compare one's perfonal bank info to false and indequete info, that was misused to falsely justify a war against a country where many people got killed, including your uncle. If I were you, I would be asking all these questions... I would also understand that you would like to vote for the candidate that is likely to end the war, e.g. the most peaceful...though that has turned out not to be the case.
Here is Obama's cert. My doubts are cured! :-)
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs172.snc1/6453_790211338215_23450932_47467236_5949428_n.jpg
Stefan,
"If you are running for president, it is a different matter though. All candidates have to submit their financial holdings as well as their medical records."
Running for President doesn't mean you don't have the same rights as everyone else. Furthermore, the fact that candidates often volunteer certain information doesn't mean that they are required to do so. While it might be difficult to convince people to vote for them, if someone wanted to keep their medical records private and still run for President, then our laws allow them to do so.
"Also, think about it, you can marry someone, love him but still not know his whole history, there may be many skeletons in the closet you do not know."
Sure, and that may be the case even if you have access to their medical records, tax records, K-12 and college transcripts. You could give them a lie detector test, talk to their parents, bribe their neighbors, and hold a gun to their head and you still might not find out about all of that person's skeletons. So, we have to decide if whether what we know about the person is enough for you to be willing to allow them to have a particular position in your life. The same is true with Presidential candidates. Wanting to know everything about them is fine, but it doesn't make you entitled to have it nor does it mean the person has done something wrong if they choose to keep some things private.
"I was just asking as in a country like Germany the nationality of a different country is not allowed. If you accept German citizenship, you have to give up your other citizenship."
Even if the laws claim it isn't allowed, Germany can't stop any other nation from making you a citizen there, too. For instance, if a German citizen marries an Irouni citizen they are automatically considered an Irouni citizen, too. It doesn't matter whether or not Germany says the person can't hold citizenship in any other country. It doesn't even matter if the person never goes through any process affirming the desire to be an Irouni citizen.
"But the real issue here is if Obama had a different nationality/passport as well, how did he get that???"
Well, before that could be "the real issue", we'd have to establish whether or not he actually had a different passport or citizenship in another country. So far, the conspiracy theorists haven't even been able to establish that much. They might as well be asking Obama to explain how he managed to circle Jupiter three times or how he built the pyramids at Giza or how he helped get rid of Hoffa.
"I remember now there was not only sanctions against Pakistan, there were a total ban of travel to Pakistan by the US during that time, is the issue that Berg raised."
How is this any different from the fact that people who the US forbids from traveling to Cuba still manage to do so? Cuba is okay with people from the US traveling there, so if someone can get there from wherever they are, they're fine. Similarly, the fact that the US might have prevented citizens from traveling directly from here to Pakistan doesn't mean an American would need some other passport or nationality in order to get there. They could simply depart from some place else, just like a lot of folks do when they want to visit Cuba.
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Stefan,
"I do understand there is a difference between a short and long form with regard to the birt cert. and cert. of live birth distinction, and the Obama team paid almost a million or a lot of money to provide the latter, while the former is not provided."
Where is the proof that Obama paid almost a million dollars to provide a particular form to the public? The state of Hawai'i has said that the document he provided verifies the information they have. Now, if there were some alternate form out there, do you really think that no one would have found it by now? That no one would have dug it up and showed it to the world?
"This is like comparing apples to peaches. My banking information does not affect another person, but how building 7 disintegrated in a few seconds is relevant to many Americans."
No, it isn't. If I feel that I need to know your banking information and that it would affect my life if you decide to withhold it from me, then it's no different from what's going on here. Feeling like you need to have certain questions answered does not mean that others will agree that you need those answers nor does it mean that they have to provide you with them. The reality is that people will always have questions and, even if someone tries to give them explanations, they won't necessarily be satisfied with them.
"I am not an inside job theorist, but there are various other questions the 911 Commission Report did not answer"
I'm not saying there aren't unanswered questions. I'm just explaining WHY there are unanswered questions and always will be.
"If I were you, I would be asking all these questions"
I certainly have a lot of questions that I wish would be answered by my government. However, I am well aware of the fact that I probably won't ever receive all of the answers I wish I had and I'm not going to drive myself crazy imagining otherwise.
"I would also understand that you would like to vote for the candidate that is likely to end the war, e.g. the most peaceful...though that has turned out not to be the case."
As usual, your assumptions are all fuckt. I would like to vote for a candidate who would eschew war completely, not just end this one. There is a big difference between being peaceful and simply being against one particular war. Candidates can't impress me by saying they are against a particular war or even by actually BEING against a particular war. The only thing that would impress me on that front is if a candidate was against war altogether and they were committed to alternative methods of resolving conflicts. Anything less is just the status quo.
What about you? Are you looking for a candidate who takes Jesus position or are you willing to ignore his example and support a candidate who thinks war is acceptable in certain circumstances? How committed are you to following in the path of Jesus?
Bint: if you have travelled to a country that country country probibitet you from traveling, but still travels - which is of course possible - then it means you have contraved the law and should be fined and a legal case should be made against you. This would mean Obama should have had a criminal record and I doubt it he would have been able to become state senator even.
It is the same as if you say smuggle something illegal into a country, it is still possible to sidestep law and try to smuggle it undetected, but it is illegal.
Bint: you may not be aware of your laws but financial record, all your records have to be made known also if you run for governor of a state. Tip: Schwarenegger had to disclose also and this is how the media can report on how many shares of Walmart etc. that he has. All the more so for a president. Obama has several million. As president he cannot sign any bookdeal, same with a governor. So a president has to forfeit that right. And yes, medical record of a potential president is important. You cannot say it is only your own private issue...what happens if you say get a heart attack and has to go to hospital etc. as president? This would affect the whole country, not only yourself. Capito?
Sorry, I have no idea what an "Irouni: citizen or nationality is, never heard of that country. Is it an Island? German law can require from German nationals that accept the nationality of a different country to give up their German nationality. I know Chinese that leave their country for a longer time has to give up their Chinese nationality...they can get it back if they return to China, but this is the case if they do to another country on a semi-permanent basis. Sorry, I know more about international law than you. You cannot just sit there and spew all sorts of things of how you think it is supposed to be in other countries... Also, if you marry a citizen of certain European countries, or in japan etc, it does NOT mean you get automatically the nationality of that country....you get a work permit yes, but can get the passport under a strict requirements in some cases only after 5 years or even later.
Bint: I formulated it specifically as Obama as being the one who appeared to be more the peace-candidate. I did not say he was an anti-war candidate as he wasn't and that would be enough reason to not vote for such a person. Pre-emptive war should be rejected in any case, consistently. There are however people that thought Obama was a peace/anti-war candidate and I was definitely not so naive. And I am not even talking about insane McCain...
It bothers me that almost the whole MSM were in favor of the Iraq war..
Eric,
You do realize that signing on with the birthers and crazies like Orly Taitz doesn't exactly enhance your credibility, righ t?
Stefan,
"This would mean Obama should have had a criminal record and I doubt it he would have been able to become state senator even."
Whether or not he (or anyone else) should have a criminal record is a matter of opinion. Do you know how many candidates have admitted to breaking laws and still got elected? I mean, if someone so much as parks on a particular side of the road or jay walks, then they've broken the laws and can end up with a criminal record. However, it's fairly obvious that there are certain actions that one can engage in that folks won't much care about, even if you're running for President. Personally, traveling to Pakistan doesn't bother me any more than it bothers me for a candidate to have smoked a little marijuana in the past without getting busted by the cops.
"Bint: you may not be aware of your laws but financial record, all your records have to be made known also if you run for governor of a state."
I'm aware that you are wrong. There are plenty of records that a gubernatorial candidate doesn't have to reveal in order to run.
"As president he cannot sign any bookdeal, same with a governor. So a president has to forfeit that right."
There is no right to sign a book deal; there's absolutely nothing in the Constitution to that effect.
"And yes, medical record of a potential president is important. You cannot say it is only your own private issue...what happens if you say get a heart attack and has to go to hospital etc. as president? This would affect the whole country, not only yourself. Capito?"
Okay, now you're changing your claims. You first claimed that they HAD TO provide this info. Now you're claiming it's simply important. Well, you're free to think it's important, but that doesn't mean a person can't refuse to provide you with that information and still be a candidate for office. Enta fiqh?
"Sorry, I have no idea what an "Irouni: citizen or nationality is, never heard of that country."
Irouni=Iranian
Do folks on this blog have a grudge against google or something?
"German law can require from German nationals that accept the nationality of a different country to give up their German nationality."
It can REQUIRE anything. That doesn't mean that citizens will abide by that requirement. There are laws and there is enforcement of laws. Having the former does not mean you have the ability to carry out the latter.
"Sorry, I know more about international law than you."
Evidently, you don't.
"You cannot just sit there and spew all sorts of things of how you think it is supposed to be in other countries"
Actually, your words are proof that I could. However, unlike you I don't. I haven't even mentioned how I think it's supposed to be in other countries. I simply stated how things are in several of them. You can whine and complain about it not being fair that people aren't always charged for the crimes they commit. However, that does nothing to change anything.
"Also, if you marry a citizen of certain European countries, or in japan etc, it does NOT mean you get automatically the nationality of that country....you get a work permit yes, but can get the passport under a strict requirements in some cases only after 5 years or even later."
So what? The fact remains that there are countries where one does automatically gain citizenship upon marriage.
"Bint: I formulated it specifically as Obama as being the one who appeared to be more the peace-candidate."
What does that have to do with your claim that you know what I would like? This is just another example of you assuming you know what I think without finding out the facts first.
"It bothers me that almost the whole MSM were in favor of the Iraq war.."
I notice you didn't even attempt to claim that you are committed to following Jesus' example. Yet, you are complaining about what other people supported. How convenient! It's funny how you're willing to talk about your religious views here all the time, but now you've decided to clam up about it in this discussion.
Bint: I was specifically refferring to financial records that governors has to adhere to - do not know if this differs from state to state - so I am 100% right, in any case in terms of CA and ALL the presidential contenders. They also have to reveal from whom they have received contributions of 200 USD and more.. Another FACT!
Even the wifes of the two presidential contenders had to present their financial records, although this was not absolutely required. This is ALL the demands by liberals, who do LOVE control and HATE anybody having any financial privacy.
Bint: Hasn't it occured to you also that the IRS asked the UBS US clients in Switzerland to reveal their financials? And this is actually AGAINST Swiss law. Meanwhile we all know the real super rich friends of the govt. all have a lot of their money offshore. And the politician in charge of the IRS, Geither, forgot to pay his taxes! I can assure you they will not be so lenient towards
any US citizen having a private account in Switzerland!! US is ruled by a bunch of gangsters!
It is clear that Bint does not care much about abiding to laws...
Bint: you know people can actually also pay somewhere for professionally fake passports to be printed. It is illegal but it not only can be done, it is done many times..
Bint, I have been on this blog way longer than you, about 1,5 years now already and I have attacked Eric on the Iraq war and any kind of pre-emptive war over and over and over and pointed out that it is also against the Christian doctrine and against the just-war theory, apart from being unconstitutional. How many times do I have to repeat that???? Who are you to accuse me of not been consistently anti-pre-emptive war?
It is clear you have made assumptions, put me into a certain box without actually considering what I am saying all along.
PS: I am glad to say I am not "the German"!
Stefan,
"Bint: I was specifically refferring to financial records that governors has to adhere to - do not know if this differs from state to state - so I am 100% right"
You're lying. This is what you said, "you may not be aware of your laws but financial record, all your records have to be made known also if you run for governor of a state." Now, you may, at some point, have intended to limit your comment to just certain financial records. However, your words did not limit your claims in that way.
"This is ALL the demands by liberals, who do LOVE control and HATE anybody having any financial privacy."
*yawn* More lies. I am a liberal and I certainly don't "LOVE control and HATE anybody having any financial privacy", so your melodramatic exaggeration doesn't work on me.
"Bint: Hasn't it occured to you also that the IRS asked the UBS US clients in Switzerland to reveal their financials? And this is actually AGAINST Swiss law."
Did you think it has ever mattered to the US government whether what they wanted from other nations was illegal for those nations to engage in? If you don't think that's right, feel free to try to convince the US gov to change its Constitution in order to prohibit this.
"US is ruled by a bunch of gangsters!"
Quelle surprise!! It's always been ruled by a bunch of gangsters. Did you think this was something new?
"It is clear that Bint does not care much about abiding to laws"
That's just stupid. Feel free to back up your claim. By the way, you do know that I've never so much as had a parking ticket or citation, right?
"you know people can actually also pay somewhere for professionally fake passports to be printed. It is illegal but it not only can be done, it is done many times"
If you are aware of this, then what's the point in claiming that Obama traveling to Pakistan is evidence that he has citizenship anywhere other than the USA? At this point, we've BOTH named ways that one can travel to a place where travel is banned by the USA without the need for non-US citizenship.
"I have attacked Eric on the Iraq war and any kind of pre-emptive war over and over and over and pointed out that it is also against the Christian doctrine and against the just-war theory, apart from being unconstitutional. How many times do I have to repeat that????"
How many times do I have to repeat myself when I'm talking to you?
"Who are you to accuse me of not been consistently anti-pre-emptive war?"
Who are you to accuse me of supporting a war that brought about my uncle's death? Who are you to claim that I don't care about abiding by the law? Who are you to claim that I want to control other people's lives and hate people having privacy? See, this goes both ways. If you have standing to make claims about me, then I have just as much standing to make claims about you. If the idea of me making claims about you makes you indignant, then perhaps you should consider asking yourself why you feel like it's okay to engage in the very same behavior that you're whining about.
"It is clear you have made assumptions, put me into a certain box without actually considering what I am saying all along."
Hahaha! What, do you think that's a problematic thing to do or do you simply not want people to treat you as you treat them?
"PS: I am glad to say I am not "the German"!"
You could never be him. He's far more intelligent than you've shown yourself to be.
I was referring to the fact that if Obama visited Pakistan during a time it was illegal to visit the country, and possibly also Pakistan refused American citizens, then Obama may well have acted against US law, as US citizen he supposedly is, and this is problematic. The law should be valid for everybody. The question is also for which reason he went to Pakistan. Do not tell me it was for holiday....
What I want to say is that there are question marks.
What we can be sure of, is that he has told countless lies ont he campaign trail, to get elected. And if one lies openly with so many issues, then it is only human to doubt sucha person. Of course he is not the first politician of this kind, nor is his govt. the first gangster govt, never suggested this also.
Well, I was speaking in general terms, liberal love regulation, of many things. You should listen to the interview with Naomi Klein on
the Bush and Obama administrations on Russia Today on youtube today, very insightful.
The attack on the privacy of US citizens who have Swiss banks accounts is very real, it is all over the online news.
Stefan,
"The law should be valid for everybody."
It should be but it never has been. If you want it to be, then that's fine with me, but reality is what it is.
"The question is also for which reason he went to Pakistan. Do not tell me it was for holiday...."
If you don't want to hear the answer, then why are you asking the question? Are you really looking for the truth if you're not even willing to consider certain possibilities? You know, when I was in college, I went home with lots of friends who were visiting their family. I also had some of the girls from my classes move in with my parents when they were in between housing arrangements. It's not exactly abnormal behavior for college students. Staying with friend's parents or crashing at the summer home of somebody's parents during the wintertime, between semesters, is a more economical way of visiting places. When you don't have to pay for a hotel or hostel, you can spend more of your money having more experiences there. Is that really an uncommon practice for college students in your part of the world? It sure isn't here!
"What I want to say is that there are question marks."
And your point is what? I mean, I already addressed the fact that no matter how much information you receive, there will never and can never be a point where no one has questions.
"Well, I was speaking in general terms, liberal love regulation, of many things."
If you don't want people making generalizations about groups that you identify with, then it's hypocritical for you to make these kinds of generalizations yourself. If I said, "In general, Christians are a bloodthirsty lot who have no problem with killing innocent people as long as they are born first", you'd might feel inclined to point out that this certainly isn't true of all Christians and that my generalization doesn't acknowledge the fact that there are plenty of Christians who aren't like that at all. Well, I'd say the same thing about your generalization. Now can you see why they are problematic?
"I was referring to the fact that if Obama visited Pakistan during a time it was illegal to visit the country, and possibly also Pakistan refused American citizens, then Obama may well have acted against US law"
Except for one fact --- no such law ever existed, and certainly wasn't in place when Obama visited Pakistan
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